Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:26:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio tx
From: staley36@gmail.com
To: texasindigenouscouncil@yahoo.com
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I know it has been a long while since I have been able to attend anything or have even responded to groups: I feel this issue must bypass my own issues.
Antonio, you are right. I stand behind you 100%.
Back in the day, I was taught that fighting for the rights of justice and freedom, a group must see themselves as a triangle where all sides are of equal proportion. Unity, Ethics, and Justice. Anyone person, group, or organization who breaks the triangle causes it to become weak.
Is what is happening with LULAC and Mr. Martinez ethical? Is it creating Unity? Two sides of the stable triangle seems to have become weakened. and Despite the years or numbers of any person or organization, IMO is irrelevant.
If LULAC can not stand up for its ethics vs contributions, it only makes us weaker. Not to mention how it can be seen and used to promote the ideal of lack of integrity.
As for individuals who want to view themselves as "founders", "leaders", or "top dog"; again the Unity side of the triangle is weakened. Power of one or a few has no place here.
I myself have witnessed how a few will push others aside when cameras, reporters are around. Billing themselves as "the hero" who started whatever protest is going on. I have even had reporters comment to me about those actions. They would be interveiwing a person, when someone else would come over and physically place themselves as focus.
That makes us all look bad. As though we are glory hounds vs true fighters for justice and freedom.
Annie
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Antonio Diaz <texasindigenouscouncil@yahoo.com> wrote:
To: "Sarah" <sboone@stx.rr.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio tx
To: "Cynthia Valadez" <cvaladez-mata@sbcglobal.net>, "Nick Calzoncit" <ncalzoncit@hotmail.com>, "jwg jwgpc" <jwg@jwgpc.com>, "Antonio Diaz" <texasindigenouscouncil@yahoo.com>, "411 patsy" <411show@sbcglobal.net>, "naranjo" <abnaranjo@aol.com>, "ab peace" <aburgin4peace@gmail.com>, "chavarrilla" <achavarrilla@univisionradio.com>, "achijatz" <achijatz@yahoo.com>, "fuer unida" <admin@lafuerzaunida.org>, "al pha" <alphapalpha@hotmail.com>, "Amal Ammari" <amal_ammari@yahoo.com>, "abdiel mainting" <amtierralimpia@sbcglobal.net>, "a prentis" <aprentis89@aol.com>, "a gar" <armando.garcia@rumbonet.com>, "a smith" <asmith-dieng@detentionwatchnetwork.com>, "chi mex" <cihuamexica@gmail.com>, "b davidson" <bdavidson@express-news.net>, "Maria Antonietta Berriozabal" <maberriozabal@swbell.net>, "b nav" <bnavarro@consulmexsat.org>, "cast slaw" <castellanoslaw1@aol.com>, "ca usa" <causa@att.net>, "john champagne" <gaia.brain@gmail.com>, "Christina Rodriguez" <christinarod49@yahoo.com>, "in fo2" <info@criminaljusticecoalition.org>, "sam colburn" <samcolburn@rickbolanos4tx23.org>, "colleg vista" <collegvista@yahoo.com>, "ana correa" <anacorrea72676@msn.com>, "cri def" <crldefsa@yahoo.com>, "celina cruz" <ccruz@svrep.org>, "darc wallis" <darcwallis@aol.com>, "david zamora" <davidzamoracasas@hotmail.com>, "dela pass" <delapass13@hotmail.com>, "ofelia delgado" <sanantoxicana@yahoo.com>, "dennis garza" <dennisgarza@sbcglobal.net>, "CORINA DIAZ" <corina.diaz@att.net>, "e mailjuntos" <e-mailjuntos_togerther@hotmail.com>, "elpaz chuco" <elpazchuco@yahoo.com>, "erck thered" <erckthered@mail.utexas.edu>, "eric botts" <eric_bottsj@yahoo.com>, "erick thered" <erickthered@mail.utexas.edu>, esperanza@esperanzacenter.org, "eve mas" <eventmaster@facebook.com>, "firm community" <firm@communitychange.org>, "Mario DeLaTorre" <foto.delatorre@yahoo.com>, "g benaco" <gbenacci@yahoo.com>, "genero igc" <genaro@igc.org>
Cc: jiay@villadelrio.com
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 9:00 PM
Cynthia, while I deeply appreciate the very kind comments you made about my comments, the bottom line is "TOGETHER WE CAN" - - - "DIVIDED WE FAIL!"I've spent the majority of my life involved in worthwhile projects, ideas, etc. and what I learned while I was still in high school was that if any one of us finds it more important to be the 'top dog' than to be a member of the TEAM that is organized to achieve whatever it is that we believe in, not only will that person fail, but he/she will bring down the entire group.Who really cares who started what, or who is the personin charge????? All I care about, and all that I believe in my heart that Cynthia cares about is achieving our goal to FREE THE CHILDREN. It is past time for all of us to be ADULTS, 'put away childish things' and unite together to FREE THE CHILDREN.What more needs to be said????----- Original Message -----From: Cynthia ValadezTo: Sarah ; Nick Calzoncit ; jwg jwgpc ; Antonio Diaz ; 411 patsy ; naranjo ; ab peace ; chavarrilla ; achijatz ; fuer unida ; al pha ; Amal Ammari ; abdiel mainting ; a prentis ; a gar ; a smith ; chi mex ; b davidson ; Maria Antonietta Berriozabal ; b nav ; cast slaw ; ca usa ; john champagne ; Christina Rodriguez ; in fo2 ; sam colburn ; colleg vista ; ana correa ; cri def ; celina cruz ; darc wallis ; david zamora ; dela pass ; ofelia delgado ; dennis garza ; CORINA DIAZ ; e mailjuntos ; elpaz chuco ; erck thered ; eric botts ; erick thered ; esperanza@esperanzacenter.org ; eve mas ; firm community ; Mario DeLaTorre ; g benaco ; genero igcSent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:53 PMSubject: Re: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio txWe must remember how this all began. Jay Johnston Castro brought attention to the fact that children and families were being detained in privatized prisons and cited this as a flaw of an unjust immigration policy. He organized a meeting at the Capitol to bring like-minded people together. It was at this meeting that this effort was elevated to a higher level and more people became involved. These efforts spurred the growth of various branches who believe that it is philosophically, morally, and ethically wrong to imprison children...for ANY reason!Soon, there was a slight deviation by some who had developed relationships with those corporations making money by doing this very thing. It came to light that LULAC did accept money for the past several years from CCA, one of the FOR profit prison corporations making millions of federal dollars by imprisoning children and families. It also became common knowledge that the OTHER group, the NOT-for profit corporations such as SOUTHWEST KEY, was ALSO in the business of making millions of federal dollars by imprisoning children and families. Many came to their defense. However, regardless of motivation or justification, the bottom line remained the same...making MILLIONS of dollars at the expense of IMPRISONING children and families as allowed by an unfair and unjust immigration policy was WRONG! Unfortunately, some of these awful policies were developed and implemented by the Clinton administration and ALL were supported and "tweaked" by the previous Bush administration.
This could be why many of the philosophical, moral, and ethical questions raised have become very personal. There are MANY that have supported BOTH groups for monetary gain and have had to justify this when such information has been brought to light. They have been allowed to remain "in the know and within the ranks" of the movement that became "Save the Children", even though this runs contrary to what MOST of us still believe...that it is wrong to make "blood money" by imprisoning families and children.There is a relatively easy way to resolve all of this. It should be REQUIRED that any person OR organization adopt a policy that states that they do NOT support the imprisonment of children and families...FOR ANY REASON and by ANY entity! It should also be REQUIRED that any person and ALL organizations adopt a policy that stipulates that we will work TOGETHER to change ANY unfair and unjust immigration policy that allows for this to occur...regardless of whether the funding comes from ICE/HOMELAND SECURITY/DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES!!! These statements must be adhered to by any person or group that claims to be a part of ANY of the outgrowths of the "Close the T. Don Hutto", "Border Ambassadors", or the other groups that developed or were created as a result of ANY of these efforts.The message originally espoused was "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND BARS!" and "Save the Children!". It did NOT stipulate whether these prisons/facilities/detention centers were owned by FOR profit or NOT for profit corporations...the message was simple. The T. Don Hutto prison was representative of the many facilities that have continued to crop up around the country, including those in the Valley. The message has been somewhat corrupted by those who feel that they must justify something...either their conscious or their purse-strings or their flawed perspective. In having spoken of the "no child behind bars" movement, "old timers" like Jay or Antonio or Gina or Sarah, Kenneth, Jose, Christina, Mary Jane, the Janes, and anyone else that that I may have not mentioned ALL agreed that we ALL needed to draw public attention to the existence of these places because it was just plain wrong for them to exist.We ALL also know that the political reality is that there will ALWAYS be people who will "jump on the bandwagon" in an attempt to elevate themselves or their group BECAUSE of the success of the original efforts to shed "the publicity light" on these ongoing great injustices. We must be prepared to look in the mirror and see that we, as a country, must NOT acquiesce to a big business approach for privatizing those services that MUST remain in the public sector as the ONLY protection to insure public accountability and financial transparency.It was about two years ago that a friend was "censored" and told that she could NOT mention the name of Dr. Juan Sanchez and Southwest Key OR LULAC National would be sued. This letter was sent to Rosa Rosales by the Southwest Key attorneys. THIS was ridiculous and absurd. Yet, it did occur and what was worse, LULAC acquiesced to this outright threat.It is difficult to understand why people do what they do or say what they say, except to speculate that their maneuvers or manipulations will force others to "do their bidding". We should not have to relinquish our right to freedom of speech...or to organize...or do to ANY-thing allowed by our Bill of Rights and Constitution because of undue pressure brought upon by those that must justify their position...their CHOICE to imprison children. Yet this often happens and it occurs from within our own ranks. Aahhh...the old "divide and conquer" adage rears its ugly head. Unfortunately, como latinos, advocates, and freedom fighters, we have also learned THAT old lesson well.I was not present to know what happened in San Antonio. However, I do know that in my experience with Antonio, I have NEVER known him to be other than passionate and true to his convictions. The same goes for the whole Indigenous group that has become a part of the "SAVE the CHILDREN" movement. I am in agreement with Sarah that these conversations often lead to infighting and undue public scrutiny, however, this is an organizational "growing pain" that should serve as an incentive to resolution. This MUST not be repeated, but we should all agree to support very basic organizational goals and methods to prevent future outbursts such as peaceful demonstrations and the adoption of those previously mentioned policies.Don't think that this doesn't happen within the Democratic Party, or the Republican Party, or any other huge group or movement. It proves that these efforts that began with ONE MAN, ONE VOICE are EXTREMELY successful. EVERYONE wants to be tied to such a movement, however, it is NOW time to impose philosophical, moral, and ethical premises that we must ALL adhere to. If not, then just get out and start your own movement...UNIDOS en la lucha y con mucho respeto,Cynthia
From: Sarah <sboone@stx.rr.com>
To: Nick Calzoncit <ncalzoncit@hotmail.com>; jwg jwgpc <jwg@jwgpc.com>; Antonio Diaz <texasindigenouscouncil@yahoo.com>; 411 patsy <411show@sbcglobal.net>; naranjo <abnaranjo@aol.com>; ab peace <aburgin4peace@gmail.com>; chavarrilla <achavarrilla@univisionradio.com>; achijatz <achijatz@yahoo.com>; fuer unida <admin@lafuerzaunida.org>; al pha <alphapalpha@hotmail.com>; Amal Ammari <amal_ammari@yahoo.com>; abdiel mainting <amtierralimpia@sbcglobal.net>; a prentis <aprentis89@aol.com>; a gar <armando.garcia@rumbonet.com>; a smith <asmith-dieng@detentionwatchnetwork.com>; chi mex <cihuamexica@gmail.com>; b davidson <bdavidson@express-news.net>; Maria Antonietta Berriozabal <maberriozabal@swbell.net>; b nav <bnavarro@consulmexsat.org>; cast slaw <castellanoslaw1@aol.com>; ca usa <causa@att.net>; john champagne <gaia.brain@gmail.com>; Christina Rodriguez <christinarod49@yahoo.com>; in fo2 <info@criminaljusticecoalition.org>; sam colburn <samcolburn@rickbolanos4tx23.org>; colleg vista <collegvista@yahoo.com>; ana correa <anacorrea72676@msn.com>; cri def <crldefsa@yahoo.com>; celina cruz <ccruz@svrep.org>; c valdez <cvaladez-mata@sbcglobal.net>; darc wallis <darcwallis@aol.com>; david zamora <davidzamoracasas@hotmail.com>; dela pass <delapass13@hotmail.com>; ofelia delgado <sanantoxicana@yahoo.com>; dennis garza <dennisgarza@sbcglobal.net>; CORINA DIAZ <corina.diaz@att.net>; e mailjuntos <e-mailjuntos_togerther@hotmail.com>; elpaz chuco <elpazchuco@yahoo.com>; erck thered <erckthered@mail.utexas.edu>; eric botts <eric_bottsj@yahoo.com>; erick thered <erickthered@mail.utexas.edu>; esperanza@esperanzacenter.org; eve mas <eventmaster@facebook.com>; firm community <firm@communitychange.org>; Mario DeLaTorre <foto.delatorre@yahoo.com>; g benaco <gbenacci@yahoo.com>; genero igc <genaro@igc.org>
Cc: jiay@villadelrio.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:18:21 PM
Subject: Re: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio tx
Together we can achieve.Fragmented we are just that - - - using our own egos to hurt those we attack, but even more so ourselves and those who also believe in what we are doing.I'm not Hispanic, but I'm also not racist.....I am a proud American who works every day for a better country for all who come to this country, seeking a better life.Infighting does nothing more than let our adversaries have their way - - they delight in this rhetoric, and if you think they don't know, you're wrong. There are infiltrators in every organization who love to see this sort of conversation.Sarah BooneDel Rio----- Original Message -----From: Nick CalzoncitTo: jwg jwgpc ; Antonio Diaz ; 411 patsy ; naranjo ; ab peace ; chavarrilla ; achijatz ; fuer unida ; al pha ; Amal Ammari ; abdiel mainting ; a prentis ; a gar ; a smith ; chi mex ; s boone ; b davidson ; Maria Antonietta Berriozabal ; b nav ; cast slaw ; ca usa ; john champagne ; Christina Rodriguez ; in fo2 ; sam colburn ; colleg vista ; ana correa ; cri def ; celina cruz ; c valdez ; darc wallis ; david zamora ; dela pass ; ofelia delgado ; dennis garza ; CORINA DIAZ ; e mailjuntos ; elpaz chuco ; erck thered ; eric botts ; erick thered ; esperanza@esperanzacenter.org ; eve mas ; firm community ; Mario DeLaTorre ; g benaco ; genero igcSent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:12 PMSubject: RE: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio txit is proper that this contrversy be brought to the front jaime should respond.so should gabriel.the coin tossers in my opinon are not only mean and disrespectful but not very smart.look at the4 ammo they gave to antonio
jaime and a group of his followers showed up at our regular thrsday peace rally (in back of city hall from 4 to 5..you are invited)a woman with jaime actually assaulted me.i started to phone the police.jqaime asked me not to so i did nt especially because of the woman i felt sorry for her
the report that money was taken from the people who imprisson families,including babies and children is repulsive.i ve heard the money was returned but have not seen proof
these kind of actions cause great harm to our great Mexican and Mexican Americqn culture,
not only should these offenders apologize but they should volunteer for hundreds of hours in the direct service of the prisoners in hutto
there is also the issue of recruitment into the military.it i fact that Mexican Americans go to war aree injured and killed in disproportiond numbers.moreso than our anglo American brothers and sisters.i dont thik lulac should hel with this i wonder if they get money also in this case??????????
regardless our future is bright if you are not going to really help get out of the way, nick calzoncit
MEXICAN AMERICAN PEACE PROJECT
210-822-5582 274-0307 ncalzoncit@hotmail.com
www.Mexamerican.blogspot.com
From: jwg@jwgpc.com
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Subject: RE: cesar .e. chavez march for justice san antonio tx
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:17:53 -0600
Antonio,You speak truth to power and the power tries to crush you. What did you expect? But what do you have that they don't have? Your self respect."Illegitimi non carborundum." Barry Goldwater
Respectfully submitted,
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JOHN WHEAT GIBSON, P.C.
By John Wheat Gibson, Sr.
Texas Bar No. 07868500
At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst: Aristotle-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Diaz [mailto:texasindigenouscouncil@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:37 PM
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